Note: If you’re new to this Substack, I’m copying old articles I wrote to get rid of my old website. This was written back in 2018. I may not agree with everything I said in the video. Feel free to ask me if I still believe something if you have questions on a topic.
Many people use verse 1 Timothy 4:3 to try to say that veganism is a “doctrine of demons.” I was in a Christian Vegan group in June 2018 and Marcello Newall was discussing this verse and mentioned he’d done a paper on it. This is the 20-page paper.
In the PDF Marcello suggests that Paul was writing against the “Gnostics.” I know we know that the Essenes/Ebionites were considered “gnostic” by some but these are not the ones that he suggests Paul’s writing against. Marcello suggests that Paul’s writing against the people who believed in the demiurge. I discuss the difference between the Essenes and the demiurge believers in the first video on this page.
In 1 Timothy 4, it’s written that people will call God’s creation “bad” and call marriage “bad” and suggest eating and partaking in this creation in general is “bad.”
From Benson Commentary:
“The same hypocritical liars, who should promote the worship of demons, should also prohibit lawful marriage. This false morality was very early introduced into the church, being taught first by the Encratites and Marcionites, and afterward by the Manicheans, who said marriage was the invention of the evil god; and who considered it as sinful to bring creatures into the world to be unhappy, and to be food for death.”
We can see why the demiurge believers (who also believed flesh was evil) would say it’s wrong to marry and have children. They also taught that the Christ was NOT flesh, because flesh was evil. They said he only looked like he was in the flesh, but because they believed flesh was evil, they said he could never be in the flesh like us (who they said were trapped in flesh bodies). This belief in the demiurge would result in people wanting to die to escape these “sinful flesh prisons.”
But surprisingly these demiurge believers don’t commit suicide. I’m not sure why, as they believe when they die they get to escape this evil world.
The early followers of Christ didn’t believe this, they thought he was flesh and creation was good, etc.
Another interesting point in this paper is that if we believe that 1 Timothy 4 says it’s a “doctrine of demons” to stop eating meat, then they basically turn YHWH (in Genesis) into a demon for suggesting it was “very good” to not eat animals.
The people who use this verse to try to say that it’s evil, end up calling the creator evil, just as the demiurge believers once did, even though the verse itself is probably all about condemning the demiurge belief.
Animals Were Created to be Companions Not “Food”
Genesis 2:18 And YHWH God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 19 And out of the ground YHWH God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. 20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
And the trees and seeds are for humans and animals to eat. The KJV used the term “meat” for veggies and fruit. The word changed definitions since the KJV was translated.
Animals did NOT get re-created for the purpose of “food” for humans at any time in the bible. They were always made to be companions.
9/21/24 ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
See also, this video on how Genesis 9:3 uses the term for creeping creatures (insects, not mammals) and says don’t eat blood. You’ll never get the blood out of the animals. This seems to be a distinction between what we call hot-blooded and cold-"blooded" beings.
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